Forums/Armchair-GM

Trading Away 1st Overall

Created by: spager48
Initial Creation Date: Mar 25, 2019
Published: Mar 25 at 12:29 pm
Team: 2019-20 Colorado Avalanche
Team Explanation
How bad does Vancouver want Jack Hughes? Pretty damn bad. This Bad?
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Rantanen, Mikko8$9,500,000
Kerfoot, Alexander3$3,333,333
Toninato, Dominic2$1,000,000
Greer, AJ2$1,000,000
Kamenev, Vladislav2$1,000,000
Graves, Ryan2$1,000,000
Compher, J.T.3$3,000,000
Zadorov, Nikita3$4,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Francouz, Pavel2$1,500,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Makar, Cale3$925,000
Trades
COL
  1. Horvat, Bo
  2. 2019 1st round pick (VAN)
VAN
  1. 2019 1st round pick (OTT)
Buyouts
  • Brooks Orpik: $1,500,000
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2019
COL
VAN
COL
COL
OTT
COL
COL
COL
2020
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
FLA
COL
2021
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$83,000,000$76,777,261$0$1,457,500$6,222,739
Left WingCenterRight Wing
COL
Landeskog, Gabriel
$5,571,429
LW
NTC
UFA - 2
COL
MacKinnon, Nathan
$6,300,000
C, RW
UFA - 4
COL
Rantanen, Mikko
$9,500,000
RW
RFA
COL
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,333,333
C, LW
RFA
VAN
Horvat, Bo
$5,500,000
C
UFA - 4
COL
Jost, Tyson
$885,833
C, LW, RW
RFA - 1
COL
Calvert, Matt
$2,850,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
COL
Söderberg, Carl
$4,750,000
C, LW
NTC
UFA - 1
COL
Compher, J.T.
$3,000,000
RW, C
RFA
COL
Greer, AJ
$1,000,000
LW
RFA
COL
Kamenev, Vladislav
$1,000,000
C
RFA
COL
Kaut, Martin
$925,000
C
RFA - 2
COL
Nieto, Matt
$1,975,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
COL
Girard, Samuel
$728,333
LD
RFA - 1
COL
Johnson, Erik
$6,000,000
RD
NMC NTC
UFA - 4
COL
Grubauer, Philipp
$3,333,333
G
UFA - 2
COL
Zadorov, Nikita
$4,000,000
LD
RFA
COL
Barrie, Tyson
$5,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
COL
Francouz, Pavel
$1,500,000
G
UFA
COL
Cole, Ian
$4,250,000
LD
UFA - 2
Makar, Cale
$925,000
COL
Barberio, Mark
$1,450,000
LD
UFA - 1
COL
Graves, Ryan
$1,000,000
LD
RFA

Embed Code

  • To display this team on another website or blog, add this iFrame to the appropriate page
  • Customize the height attribute in the iFrame code below to fit your website appropriately. Minimum recommended: 400px.

Text-Embed

Click to Highlight
Mar 25 at 12:32
#1
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 4,266
Likes: 941
Nope, not enough
Mar 25 at 12:33
#2
Bcarlo25
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 5,857
Likes: 1,409
This is hideous for Colorado
Mar 25 at 12:33
#3
Official Leafs Fan
Joined: Nov 2018
Posts: 565
Likes: 158
Quoting: coga16
Nope, not enough


Not enough from van? Or they don’t want him enough to do that?
Mar 25 at 12:36
#4
Official Leafs Fan
Joined: Nov 2018
Posts: 565
Likes: 158
Quoting: Bcarlo25
This is hideous for Colorado


Vancouver first will be top 10, Bo Horvat would be great at 2c for Colorado, if they didn’t have his brother i think Vancouver says no, especially if they slip and that pick ends up 5th or 6th
Mar 25 at 12:45
#5
Bcarlo25
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 5,857
Likes: 1,409
Quoting: Hackadart
Vancouver first will be top 10, Bo Horvat would be great at 2c for Colorado, if they didn’t have his brother i think Vancouver says no, especially if they slip and that pick ends up 5th or 6th


The offer is a joke value wise. Teams don’t trade the first overall for a second line center and the 8th pick or whatever.
Mar 25 at 12:49
#6
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 4,266
Likes: 941
Quoting: Hackadart
Not enough from van? Or they don’t want him enough to do that?


not enough from Van....Hughes is a very special talent. Avs keep the pick to draft Hughes to what would be considered a downgrade to Horvat (who is a very good player still) just to pick up another 1st.

The Hughes hype will just inflate the value of that pick to the point htat no team will want to pay the ransom to get it. Vancouver would have to over pay on top of overpay to buy that pick from the Avs. They arent just giving it up
Mar 25 at 12:54
#7
Official Leafs Fan
Joined: Nov 2018
Posts: 565
Likes: 158
Quoting: coga16
not enough from Van....Hughes is a very special talent. Avs keep the pick to draft Hughes to what would be considered a downgrade to Horvat (who is a very good player still) just to pick up another 1st.
The Hughes hype will just inflate the value of that pick to the point htat no team will want to pay the ransom to get it


I just see Colorado as a piece or two (makar and Horvat might do) away from being a contender and so if they can get an awesome center to make a 1/2 punch of Mackinnon and Horvat and also get a very good prospect that they can move for another big piece or keep and developed to help later but if there is another move that follows this can impact the roster a lot more instantly than a rookie Hughes (which would still be pretty damn good) will, would you do this is Vancouver loses their last few games and that pick is 5th?
Mar 25 at 12:56
#8
Official Leafs Fan
Joined: Nov 2018
Posts: 565
Likes: 158
Quoting: Bcarlo25
The offer is a joke value wise. Teams don’t trade the first overall for a second line center and the 8th pick or whatever.


I see your point but if that pick is 5th and Horvat could play first on some teams (not COL though) I think that is an interesting offer
Mar 25 at 12:58
#9
Bcarlo25
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 5,857
Likes: 1,409
Quoting: Hackadart
I see your point but if that pick is 5th and Horvat could play first on some teams (not COL though) I think that is an interesting offer


Not really. Think if it was the other way around. Thwt just doesn’t get you Hughes
Mar 25 at 1:04
#10
Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 10,142
Likes: 1,798
It's hard to say if VAN would want to do that. They already have their 1C in Petterson and Horvat is a very strong 2 way player, the perfect 2C. What VAN needs is wingers to go with their top Cs. Right now they have Boeser and that is about it!
BlueSeeker and Hackadart liked this.
Mar 25 at 1:05
#11
Official Leafs Fan
Joined: Nov 2018
Posts: 565
Likes: 158
Quoting: Bcarlo25
Not really. Think if it was the other way around. Thwt just doesn’t get you Hughes


Other way around doesn’t change anything for me cause im not a VAN fan, but if it was the leafs with the 1st overall pick this year and they had the cap space to take Horvat /if Horvat was LW I’d certainly consider it
Mar 25 at 1:08
#12
Bcarlo25
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 5,857
Likes: 1,409
Quoting: Hackadart
Other way around doesn’t change anything for me cause im not a VAN fan, but if it was the leafs with the 1st overall pick this year and they had the cap space to take Horvat /if Horvat was LW I’d certainly consider it


So would you have considered it the year the leafs drafted Matthews? Let’s say the 8th overall that year and a real good second line Center for Matthews. Alex Nylander and the second line center...would you do that?
Mar 25 at 1:18
#13
Official Leafs Fan
Joined: Nov 2018
Posts: 565
Likes: 158
Quoting: Bcarlo25
So would you have considered it the year the leafs drafted Matthews? Let’s say the 8th overall that year and a real good second line Center for Matthews. Alex Nylander and the second line center...would you do that?


That’s different cause the leafs were in the tank and needed Matthews, but this year with the leafs where they are today if it’s 5th overall Bowen Byram and Horvat is conmfortable on the LW I think that I’d have to consider it, I would definitely do it if I had another trade in place Bowen Byram for a RD like Hamilton (if they had to add whatever), I think there is a lot more value coming back that can help right away than you think
Mar 25 at 1:27
#14
Joined: Apr 2018
Posts: 1,270
Likes: 289
Man, Colorado fans really out here acting like they already have Jack Hughes when they've only got a 20% chance
Mar 25 at 4:02
#15
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 4,266
Likes: 941
Quoting: Hackadart
I just see Colorado as a piece or two (makar and Horvat might do) away from being a contender and so if they can get an awesome center to make a 1/2 punch of Mackinnon and Horvat and also get a very good prospect that they can move for another big piece or keep and developed to help later but if there is another move that follows this can impact the roster a lot more instantly than a rookie Hughes (which would still be pretty damn good) will, would you do this is Vancouver loses their last few games and that pick is 5th?


Makar and Hughes would be a better 2 pieces than Makar and Horvat...your reasoning is flawed
Mar 25 at 4:05
#16
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 4,266
Likes: 941
Quoting: aspina25
Man, Colorado fans really out here acting like they already have Jack Hughes when they've only got a 20% chance


for the point of this roster, a hypothetical saying it was for the 1st overall pick and made a trade with the Avs.
SO try again to take a shot at the Avs bc you are still upset you didnt get Makar for Kevin Hayes as a rental
Mar 25 at 5:01
#17
Joined: Apr 2018
Posts: 1,270
Likes: 289
Quoting: coga16
for the point of this roster, a hypothetical saying it was for the 1st overall pick and made a trade with the Avs.
SO try again to take a shot at the Avs bc you are still upset you didnt get Makar for Kevin Hayes as a rental


Buddy, show me where I said anything close to that. I had no desire for the Rangers to trade Hayes, let alone to the Avs for Makar.
Mar 26 at 1:45
#18
Official Leafs Fan
Joined: Nov 2018
Posts: 565
Likes: 158
Quoting: coga16
Makar and Hughes would be a better 2 pieces than Makar and Horvat...your reasoning is flawed


Yeah cause rookies are always great two way centres and great in the face off circle, Hughes long term is better but for next year I’d rather have Horvat, then add to that another elite prospect (Byram) that either helps down the road or is moved for another win now piece and it’s clear which roster would be better in the short term (assuming the prospect is traded)
Mar 26 at 10:05
#19
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 4,266
Likes: 941
Quoting: Hackadart
Yeah cause rookies are always great two way centres and great in the face off circle, Hughes long term is better but for next year I’d rather have Horvat, then add to that another elite prospect (Byram) that either helps down the road or is moved for another win now piece and it’s clear which roster would be better in the short term (assuming the prospect is traded)


Hughes smashed matthews records...as a leafs fan would have you done that with the Matthews pick...trade him for a 2way 2nd line C and a 1st round pick? No you keep the 1st overall and hope the hype is as advertised.

Its not rocket science here
Mar 26 at 10:20
#20
Official Leafs Fan
Joined: Nov 2018
Posts: 565
Likes: 158
Quoting: coga16
Hughes smashed matthews records...as a leafs fan would have you done that with the Matthews pick...trade him for a 2way 2nd line C and a 1st round pick? No you keep the 1st overall and hope the hype is as advertised.

Its not rocket science here


As I have already said in this thread when the leafs got Matthews they were horrible and needed Matthews, but if the leafs had this years 1st pick is trade it for Horvat (if is good at LW) and the 5th overall pick to take Byram, and if Byram can’t make the roster I’d move him for another Win now piece, specifically a RHD, Colorado isn’t in the same position as the leafs RN but they certainly aren’t in the position the leafs were in 3 years ago/ OTT is in today, if they can use this 1st pick to get 2/3 Big roster pieces that will put the into an absolute contender status, why not?
Mar 26 at 10:23
#21
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 4,266
Likes: 941
Quoting: Hackadart
As I have already said in this thread when the leafs got Matthews they were horrible and needed Matthews, but if the leafs had this years 1st pick is trade it for Horvat (if is good at LW) and the 5th overall pick to take Byram, and if Byram can’t make the roster I’d move him for another Win now piece, specifically a RHD, Colorado isn’t in the same position as the leafs RN but they certainly aren’t in the position the leafs were in 3 years ago/ OTT is in today, if they can use this 1st pick to get 2/3 Big roster pieces that will put the into an absolute contender status, why not?


Your logic is so flawed, Avs have mackinnon so they dont need elite talent so they can say no thanks and just trade him away for lesser players? Thats how you get fired as a GM. Hughes is on another level. You can do more with Hughes on an ELC than Horvat and wait a few years for Byram...hes not NHL ready to step in as an 18 year old Dman.

Think this through
Mar 26 at 11:16
#22
Official Leafs Fan
Joined: Nov 2018
Posts: 565
Likes: 158
Quoting: coga16
Your logic is so flawed, Avs have mackinnon so they dont need elite talent so they can say no thanks and just trade him away for lesser players? Thats how you get fired as a GM. Hughes is on another level. You can do more with Hughes on an ELC than Horvat and wait a few years for Byram...hes not NHL ready to step in as an 18 year old Dman.

Think this through


As I said if he isn’t NHL ready I’d make a second trade and get two or three roster pieces, and a Rookie Hughes will not be any better than Horvat, Hughes will be better probably sophomore and definitely beyond, but this year Two Big trades, maybe more if someone else wants to trade up to take Byram so you trade down a couple more times, will impact the roster more immediately, I am not saying the avs definitely want to trade this pick, but there are reasons for doing so and if they did this trade is a good start assuming VAN pick is around 5th or 6th, It’s like you have never heard of trading young players with Higher upside for something that will help win now, this isn’t foreign concept, it’s like every deadline deal but on a much bigger scale
 
Reply
To create a post please Login or Register
Question:
Options:
Add Option
Remove Option
Insert NHL Teams
Submit Poll